Goku stomps! Golden Frieza vs Android 17 and Ultimate Gohan(DBS) Battle. SSG Goku fought controlled berserk Kale and ssj2 Caulifla at the same time and was going to win. Archived. However, unlike his father, Gohan dislikes fighting and harming others, and his true power only shows through during moments of intense rage. Nah, but seriously. goku but not in a stomp as in WTF happen and how gohan was able to even fight with blue goku or even survive his KK move is beyond me so why will this shit be different??? Question. I can totally agree with that. @erkan12: Yeah, I'll wait until Gohan has a real fight to gauge his power. The fact 18 outlasted with more eliminations, and Roshi having more eliminations is already a bad sign. But Gohan was holding back matching his father, and didn't go full power until goku went blue. I mean just ssjg goku when he first transformed was around atleast universal. Likes Received: 95 Trophy Points: 688 Joined: Nov 8, 2011. lol unbelievable. Gohan in his Ultimate Form powers up further and keeps telling Goku to take the fight seriously and get stronger, Goku eventually goes Blueberry mode, they exchange some punches then he goes into using Kaioken with that form and they exchange a punch. SSB Goku vs Universe 6 Power Levels - Dragon Ball Super - Duration: 2:04. @sirfizzwhizz: I already said it was inconsistent twice in this thread... @jashro44: Nothing is wrong with Gohan being that strong, but Super has been too inconsistent for me. Krillin, the first to go off but at least he had some good moments that episode, 10. I already know I'm wasting my time with you, but it's just fascinating to read what lengths you're able to reach with these strawman arguments. WHY? The narrator confirms this. Please re watch the episode again, because this episode made it quite clear that Goku stomps on his son without question even when non serious. It is. According to DBS, Mystic Gohan from Buu Saga should done better than the version of Gohan Golden Frieza stomp. @erkan12: When are you going to stop ignoring and pretending like Gohan wasn't begging Goku to use all of his power because Goku wasn't taking him seriously and that Ultimate Gohan was getting completely stomped and coached by SS2 Goku? You also have that fight between Goku and gohan in the garden. And to say that Piccolo was able to pierce them with SBC... Piccolo failed to harm them without a fully powered SBC, and almost get KOed if not for Gohan. @sirfizzwhizz: damn, Fizz at it again lowballing any series that isn't Ghostrider, Godzilla or Seven Deadly Sins. Plus we have base Goku equal to the copy Vegeta that stomped ssj3 Gotenks, base Goku fighting final form Frieza who in his first form one shot killed Piccolo, ect. no. He gave up on martial art trainings after defeating Cell and then he surpassed Super Buu's level in only one day. Goku is still a better fighter though so he prolly wins even if he's a bit weaker. So, this would be him actually doing something with the already-powerful Ultimate/Mystic form that ended up getting trampled on the grand because Gohan becomes the most powerful in the universe and … But Buu Saga Gohan is superior to SSJ2 Goku and match SSB goku using his full power for a short time. Gohan obviously, he decently fought a SSGB Goku plus Kaioken, wth is wrong with some viners in this topic lol. Haha Supreme trust you to point out the plot hole of SSJ3 Goku being stronger than Ultimate Gohan. I might have said Goku awhile back, but opinions change. SSB is flatly 50x higher in power level than SSG.You're saying Goku was holding back SO MUCH that Gohan had less than a fiftieth his power level?If that were true, SSB Kaioken would have turned him into paste. And to say that Piccolo matched with Pirina and Saonel... Lol. He even said it twice... Up until the point Goku used kaio-ken they seemed pretty even to me. Tien, literally did nothing besides take someone down with him. I guess you need to lowball him to since Gohan actually took an opponent that he couldn't defeat. So? Then you have Gohan needing Android 17 to even survive against Toppo's suppressed form, virtually having no effect on Toppo with his ultimate Kamehameha... all of whom Goku and Vegeta had already convincingly handled with their SSB forms alone plentiful times, with Golden Frieza giving Toppo a near death experience with his suppressed multi death beams.... Gohan had a convincing match up with the U6 Namekians, who even Piccolo helped beat, meaning they too aren't near god status. U6 Namekians being above him, and Gohan being above them just proves Gohan is over Z ssj3 tier which his mystic form always was. Gohan hasn't done anything in a real dire situation to suggest he's anywhere near the level to fight the way Goku fought Beerus. Meh, DBS is somewhat inconsistent, which makes this hard. Close. Gohan helps both guys. Gohan's potential was always extraordinary. Buuhan would win too. I am getting the sense though that Gohan is meant to be on blue tier though. Add to that the Kaioken and Goku should be many times stronger than an untrained Gohan who not even a single day ago couldn't use his Mystic-form. 9 months ago. It's quite funny you say that I'm biased against Gohan considering that Teen Gohan, next to Tien, is personally my absolute favorite DB character. Gohan with his Buu Saga Ultimate form forced Goku into SSb form, and still held up. Frieza is pretty arrogant. Frieza still hasn't reformed yet (thank god) so he's still got villainous, selfish motives in this arc. That just means frieza would win which he would. Goku: as of 125 he's become exponentially stronger since 109 &110, in 109 SSB kaiokenx20 Goku is effortlessly blinked away by Jiren, even the spirit bomb is blinked away. Goku was able to stalemate an all out True Golden Frieza perfectly with Whis stating them to be equals without Goku using Kaioken whereas Ultimate Gohan still lost to a suppressed Golden Frieza who despite holding back claims he would have killed Gohan had he not caught on. he claimed it was for the time limit, but we all know it was to not wound vegeta's pride. Anyway, probably Gohan. I do think Frieza would kill Gohan if they had a fight to the death....That doesn't mean Gohan isn't close to blue tier or God tier. Oh, right, because Goku literally just being completely incapacitated by Jiren, only to still completely stomp both Caulifla and Kale 2v1 even while holding back and training them both, and then beating them fused, with everyone on the bleachers, even Kefla's own universe, saying they're no match against a fully healed Goku, is somehowon the same level as Goku to you.... Yea you've got to be trolling and keep removing context just for the sake of an argument. Because he didn't feel that he could easily over power Gohan without it.Thus, Gohan should be roughly equal but still inferior to SSB Goku.SSB Goku is far stronger than SSG Goku.The reason "Mystic Bullshit" exists, is because the technique itself is granting you the absolute apex of your potential. The man is still under Buuhan significantly for crying out loud. Following Goku's death, he was trained by Piccoloin anticipation of the upcoming Saiyan invasion… You think a gohan who at his max mystic can be multi solar system could fight that? Composite, ergo current SSG Goku as of 125,then Gohan might lose. Because the showings are all over the place. And where is your argument against Golden Frieza? Gohan leaves behind scuff marks on Goku's body after their final clash. And Gohan has help. Plus we have base Goku equal to the copy Vegeta that stomped ssj3 Gotenks, base Goku fighting final form Frieza who in his first form one shot killed Piccolo, ect. I don't think Piccolo got crapped on in the ToP. Why can't you answer that Gohan literally has no affect on Toppo even with his Ultimate Kamehameha WITH the help of Anroid 17 while SSB Goku ALONE literally did the same thing, as well as Vegeta and Frieza having significant affect on him? Watch and learn. That's even shown in the manga with Gohan only being the strongest on Earth without Goku and Vegeta. its the same reason goku didn't go SSj3 back against vegeta. Ultimate Gohan + SSj4 Goku + … Goku also has KKX20 and could crush Freeza in an instant, and if I recall SSB Vegeta was currently stronger than SSB Goku. But we saw what happened in the episode and we did see Goku and Gohan fighitng evenly for a bit before Goku ended it with the Kaio-ken: If Gohan wasn't close to Goku in terms of power, Goku wouldn't have used the kaio-ken and the narrator would have chosen different wording. Golden Frieza couldn't defeat Dyspo too, is that mean Frieza was also not a SSJB tier? Gohan is a nice guy, he isn't a brute fighter, he wouldn't beat up Goku without asking him to use his full power. @thebiggeek101: Gohan himself didn't use his full strength until Goku went blue. Goku tries to get the best out of everyone, especially so when he was recruiting people for his team. Just because he's in a form doesn't mean he can't pull his punches. Continue Reading. Piccolo stated Gohan only lost to Buu with such power due to carelessness. @erkan12: "Goku just used SSJB KK to keep his son happy right?". It's absurd to truly think Gohan is anywhere near god status when he can't even sense God ki yet. Goku could handle Gohan in SSJ2. 3. Its hard to quantify how powerful Gohan is based off his match with Goku anyway. Goku was NOT forced to use SSBKK, let alone even needing to use KKx20. It didn't seem to me that Goku was going all out in any of his forms. I have no clue. @lvenger: Well Goku is still stronger, Gohan is just a "rival" (this would include frieza, Vegeta, and possibly 17). Gohan should Win After the Dyspo fight that is id say he is between Red Goku And Blue Goku. Would he? And Goku SS4 vs Super Vegito". 16. Then he uses SSJB, not even SSJB enough, then he uses SSJB KK. This new Mystic Gohan could hold his own against SSB Goku and Golden Frieza. There's many more evidence where this comes from, too concerning Goku's personality traits and fighting methods. Gohan reunlocks his Ultimate form and can suddenly hold his own against SSJB Goku.... @hittheassasin: That's the point. Goku used the Kaio-ken on Gohan. @jashro44: I find it extremely unlikely that Golden Frieza would be inferior to Buuhan. Kind of but all it ended up being was Tein getting destroyed, and then Gohan and Goku fighting each other. In addition, most of the feats people try to contribute to showing SSJG/B's power usually only happens when Beerus is involved... which brings me to the conclusion those feats don't really belong to Goku/Vegeta(as we don't see those kind of feats such as their first fight against Beerus anywhere else), but rather Beerus himself. It appears that in the short time that passed since that fight, Gohan was able to get considerably stronger. In sparring match Goku toys with him on SS2 and then goes Blue for no reason like against everyone. But in the fight right before the ToP where it was Gohan and Piccolo vs Goku and Tien, Piccolo didn't even try to fight base Goku he just charged up one of his strongest attacks to try to use on him. I think depending on how you want to look at things either Gohan is far above Buuhan or DBS character just aren't as powerful as people think. Before “you fuckin idiot it was just a scheme” yeah that’s why I said “if”. Question. Gohan had problems with a guy from U10 as well, and SSG Goku almost definitely could of beaten that guy. You just be straight up lying to keep your argument up lol. KaiserWombat Retired Staff. I think the idea of that fight was to show team work and strategy is important. It's a cheat code that lets you move into a crazy high power level without bleeding off ki or having to undergo insane body alteration like imperfect SS2 or SS3. Gohan isn’t comparable to Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, it Hit, or anyone else who was SSB. Son Gohan is the eldest son of Son Goku and Chi-Chi, and one of the primary heroes of the second half of Dragon Ball. The reason "Mystic Bullshit" exists, is because the technique itself is granting you the absolute apex of your potential. Hit gave Jiren some bother. Honestly I don't know what the case is.... didn't Gohan beg goku to go full power against him and when goku did show gohan his true power gohan was one shotted, I'm sorry but a serious god goku beats current gohan. And their goes Hit again wanking anything DBS :). Gohan had problems with a guy from U10 as well, and SSG Goku almost definitely could of beaten that guy. So take Base Goku and make him 100x stronger, Gohan decisively beat him. Stop making ridiculous comments. And frankly that is a ridiculous sentiment regardless of how wacky DBS power scaling is. From their fight it seems to me Goku could have taken him just fine in SSJ2 or barring that SSJ3. Going by the logic of "gohan fought super saiyan blue," krillin is also ssb level, and thus is only slightly below gohan, It only makes sense that goku was going easy on everybody that he thought in super saiyan blue, because if he had just crushed them none of them would have wanted to enter the tournament because they know that they would not have stood a chance. I mean, look at his reaction when those two powers collided Anyway, probably Gohan. Going by power scaling and math, SSJ4 is pretty dang powerful. Well I am fine with either saying Gohan just got a random power up or DBS characters aren't that strong. I'm curious what type of troll response I'll get this time. Why would Gohan beg Goku to use his full power? People are so delusional here, it is ridiculous. I love how you ignore he was clearly being helped by Golden Frieza, you know, an actual god tier opponent, as well as serious Dyspo casually toying with both Golden Frieza and Gohan, who was then about to get stomped by Dyspo if it weren't for Frieza's death beam wall trap... Also, I love how you completely side stepped the Toppo point because you knew full well it puts another huge hole into everything you're saying. If you say that Gohan is equal to SSB Goku then how do you explain that he struggled against SSJ2 Goku? Again Gohan was suppressed when he was fighting goku until goku decided to use blue. Hit couldn't even beat DYSPO until he figured out a trick to beat his senses. And considering both Pride Troopers are SSB level (and in Toppo's case, SSBKK), Gohan has to be at least on that level to be remotely competitive. Not only that, you FAIL to realize this Special Beam Cannon tactic was something Gohan and Piccolo practiced for, something we literally seen do similar vs Goku and Tien... Piccolo most certainly could've handled the U6 Namekians and was doing just that as he fought one of them in a 1v1, covered Gohan's back at points as Gohan did for Piccolo, and lastly, Piccolo blatantly handled the both of them in an area Gohan literally failed in....Jesus Christ, man lol I swear I'm talking to a bot. I stick to the facts. As Whis stated, SSG is merely faster than Goku SSJ form and consumes less stamina than SSB. Vegito would win. In ROF it was stated Goku in SBG used the power of SSG in Base to fight final form Frieza, Frieza was relative to that base Goku. he used KK for the same reason that vegeta went SSB against Cabba. I mean if that was true it means that Golden Frieza would likely be inferior to Buuhan. So? Without kaioken he would not have fulfilled Gohan's wish. And stop wasting my time. Why is this important? Erkan12 says: "Piccolo never said he was no match for Dyspo, he said he couldn't defeat him. I feel the idea of Goku having all the powers of ssj God has been inconsistent....IIRC Goku was being pinned by Tupper and Android 18 picked him up easily. Gohan was ALREADY at max full power before Goku went SS2 in the beginning of round 2, and Goku got the first hit IMMEDIATELY on top of handling him the entire fight. That shows the power difference between Golden Frieza/SSB tier and Ultimate Gohan. All we saw was Gohan slightly staggering SSB which honestly is a farcry from simply going blow to blow with SSB Goku constantly. 17's beam were never causing any effect on Toppo whatsoever, and Toppo, and even U7 on the bleachers clearly stated as such (Android 18 and Piccolo specifically) that they were never hurting Toppo, but were used infinitely to stall the 5 minutes remaining. You're just simply never going to realize that Goku was ALWAYS in control of the entire sparring match and never took Gohan seriously until Gohan pleaded multiple times, and let his own son get a few blows after realizing that SS2 beyond god was simply too much. @omriamar: Krilin also fought with SSB Goku, so what is your point? Also, SSJ 2 Goku was enough to keep up with Ultimate Gohan. Jiren wasn't going all out against Hit or Goku. lol, if he was holding back so much, why'd he feel the need to Kaioken?1. Goku never used the Kaio-ken against Kale. @corvin123: what about KK is that look like holding back to you?? Gohan is stronger than he was in the Buu Saga cause dbs logic, I don't see why this is difficult to understand. Frieza and Goku are both equals and they one shotted each other....That was without goku using the Kaio-ken. And then we have him seemingly on par with base Gohan fighting the U6 namekians. @erkan12: Piccolo is only old ssj2 tier. Vegeta, randomly got a new form and is still in the ToP, 5. It's not surprising that he reached that level with only a less training. Piccolo himself clearlystated that Gohan was no match for Dyspo and would have lost as soon as Golden Frieza eliminated them both. Then you have the SSJ transformations; which makes Goku (At SSJ3), 160,000 … @jashro44: Generally in DBS the narrator narrating the previously on Dragon Ball scene has to summarise what happened last episode so stating Gohan's power rivalled Goku's might be shorthand compared to what actually happened in the episodes. Gohan, could of been 4 but went out kind of meh, 6. Gohan stalemating Kefla means that the character is way more powerful than he's typically given credit for. Goku only transformed because Gohan asked him to. Gohan … When he and Gohan challenged the last 2 guys on universe 10 Gohan and his Obuni started out in an epic clash and Piccolo's fight started out with him getting knocked back like nothing. So i would say Goku SSJ3 back then was maybe 1/5th to 1/2 the power of mystic Gohan. You also have that fight between Goku and gohan in the garden. Because apparently anyone who lets their opponent touch them despite the clearly superior opponent simply allowing the lesser opponent some breathing space for whatever that reason may be automatically puts the lesser opponent on equal terms to the superior opponent according to your logic, right? © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. This is the most ridiculous post I've ever read about DB for some time. Piccolo had a few good moments like his special beam canon on the U6 namekians, his strategy against the sniper, and him taking out the universe 4 guys, but overall he had a poor performance compared to everyone else. I guess he took that punch for purpose too in his SSJB form, just to keep him happy... Lol. the difference between Gohan and Frieza is that Gohan had to beg for Goku to even turn blue and take him seriously but against Frieza, Goku went SSB right off the bat. It's clearly not as powerful as people hype it up to be imo. What feats? Gohan asked him to show his full power a.k.a SSB+kaioken. That is a very specific word choice, if it were abbreviated I don't think the wording would be so specific. Also Goku made Beerus have a fun fight as a SSG, not sure if Gohan could do the same. Piccolo and Gohan have had especially big jumps as Piccolo went from being unable to overpower Frost to beating SSJ2 Gohan and Gohan went from getting killed by Frieza's 1st Form post 1 month training to keeping up with SSB Goku. » Base Gogeta (fusions reborn) vs Ultimate Gohan. @erkan12: Yes, I have, and what gives you the impression that Gohan has gotten any stronger since literally the 4 hours and 30 minutes that passed between him begging his dad to take him seriously in their sparring match right before the ToP... to the beginning of the ToP? And since then he has become a lot stronger. Gohan very heavily held the advantage over Super Saiyan 2 Goku. I want to see Gohan in a real battle, not a spar. How does it feel to know current GoD level characters are Universal in DBS?How does it feel to know Goku solos the Godzillaverse(excluding God)? I think Goku holds back in all of his fights unless it's someone really powerful. Damn near. @omriamar: Speculating? Archived [Question] Is Ultimate Gohan able to be stronger than SSB Goku or Vegeta? Thus, Gohan should be roughly equal but still inferior to SSB Goku. Posted by. Golden Frieza was the one hurting Toppo, not 17. That was normal Gohan though, not Mystic Gohan transformation that fought Buu and Piccolo train Gohan before the Goku fight to do that again. Because last time I checked, Gohan was severally struggling and literally almost lost against Jimeze, who Final Form Frieza immediately completely man handled for Gohan when he saw he couldn't keep up, btw. You can keep playing dumb until you're face turns blue, but at the end of the day, I already laid out the consistent facts and they prove that Goku was always the one to sandbag during a match to either test himself, give false hope, take easy and / or steadily train his opponents. As much as I like Gohan, Vegito is just on a completely different league, being a portara fusion. Just wow. Someone needs to make a thread re-evaluating SSJG/SSJB's power. I also like how you completely side stepped away from the Gohan / Frieza vs Jimeze point which alone completely debunks your claims. Gohan did train with Piccolo so maybe he got a huge boost some how in that short time. I don’t give Gohan doing well against Blue that much credit because: 1) it makes no sense, like, beyond stupid for gohan to match that level of power, but more importantly... 2) Goku and Vegeta hold back against literally everyone even if it results in them getting beat up. But in the fight right before the ToP where it was Gohan and Piccolo vs Goku and Tien, Piccolo didn't even try to fight base Goku he just charged up one of his strongest attacks to try to use on him. Seriously, do you not watch Dragon Ball? unless you mean to say that Cabba is basicly equal to vegeta because vegeta went SSB and knocked him out? Gohan made it quite clear, 3 times in fact, that he was BEGGINGGoku to use all of his power. Also if Gohans recent statement holds any weight he was confident he would eliminate frieza if the latter tried anything, this is kind of backed up given Gohans superior perceptive ability compared to Frieza. How are we going to count the spar with Goku when we don't know how serious Goku was? It is INFERIOR to Blue. That was not a real fight. Take the Kale fight for instance, Goku got owned as a super saiyan Blue, then proceeded to make a mockery of an even stronger Kale and caulifla at the same time in his god form. Lol, holding your own against Super Saiyan Blue Goku barely even means anything anymore. Ultimate Gohan begged Goku to take him seriously in DBS to test out his own power which was recommended by Piccolo, THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THE EPISODE, the same way Teen Gohan begged Goku to take him seriously in DBZ in order for him to finally reach SS1 in order to even hold up as a Z warrior. In Dragon Ball Super, during the training done before the Tournament of Power, Gohan and Piccolo trained to get Gohan back in fighting shape after 7+6 years of not training. Piccoloblew 2 holes in the U6 Namekians' stomachs while ultimate Gohan's kamehameha was getting pushed backed AND Saonel literally was walking through his wave and was about to hurt Gohan before Piccolo covered him! It's pretty dumb to say that Gohan isn't SSJB tier at this point. I said I'd like to wait for feats when he's in a "dire" moment. @man_of_miracles: actually you sound salty that BotG movie was retcon and current anime is a mess of inconsistencies ;). They were clearly showing how he was hurting his back while Toppo was overwhelming 17's beam. It's simple, you make no sense).... You're just going to keep wanking Gohan for god knows why, even at the expense of logic. Oh and your not remembering the episode correctly. This. I mean, because he too has pushed back SSB Goku's Kamehameha during their beam struggle. Gohan pushed back a final form Frieza which is far above SSG Goku rom BOG. When are you going to realize that this episode was in reference to the Cell Saga Goku vs Gohan HBTC episode where Gohan begged his dad to take him seriously in order for him to reach SS1, like I've mentioned before... or are you just being willfully ignorant since I have to keep repeating myself to you? Gohan and Freeza are close in power, regardless of Manga or Anime, as Anime Gohan is stated to rival Goku's power, and Freeza is stated to be Goku's exact equal. If anything base Gohan was doing a bit better. I honestly feel this wouldn't be an issue if Toei didn't do all that universal shit with Beerus in the DBS version of Beerus vs Goku and in the BOG movie, because now whenever someone sees a character fight Goku they immediately think "no way this character is universal" even though Goku himself isn't universal and something akin to what happened during his fight with Beerus, never occurred again. 18 got a lot of eliminations and lasted a long time, 7. And you're absolutely wrong about the Dyspo match up. Yes. @Foremostproxy: He did not need it... did you even read what I wrote? GT Goku at the start of the series is equal to SSJ3 DBZ Goku, which makes him 400x stronger than regular Z Goku. Insert TFS Power Levels are BS quote. I think Goku would win. not even against vegeta he pull that out even zamasu was overwhelmed by it. Because random! Ever heard about a thing called "holding back"? I classify Vegeta, Goku and Frieza as full power SSB tier, with Gohan being mid tier SSB (tho that may change) There's a huge difference between SSJG and Blue, as shown in the Jiren vs Goku fight. They were also worrying if frieza had killed Toppo when he dropped the beam struggle, not 17. Then you had Gohan and Piccolo struggling against Hermilia and Prum while Goku and Vegeta easily handled them (albeit Tien made it a lil easier for Goku and Vegeta, but that was after the fact they figured what their plan was, and Prum and Hermilia are definitely not God tier opponents). Yea, lets just ignore the fact that Piccolo blew a whole through the U6 Namekians' stomachs with his Special Beam Cannon at the same time while Saonel was literally walking through and about to attack Ultimate Gohan out of his freaking Kamehameha.... Let's also completely ignore the fact that the Special Beam Cannon buffer tactic was exactly what Gohan and Piccolo trained for and exactly why you would see it performed on the Namekians, which you see in the Goku / Tien vs Gohan / Piccolo episode we're literally talking about right now ffs lol... Idk why you're even pretending like the U6 Namekians are even god tier. No way is Goku fighting Gohan anywhere close to where he was fighting Toppo or Jiren. In fact, if you watch SSB only gets one hit on Gohan to Gohan's two on Goku. Gohan begging Goku to take him seriously as a fighter has precedence! So I don't think being one shotted is really a bad showing for Gohan. and in 123 Vermoud outright states that he hasn't seen Jiren like this in along time, meaning he's using the most power he has in the tournament...against SSB Goku, in base Goku states that sirens attack was "the most powerful attack he's ever felt" So low ball Goku became over 20x stronger, more so given Jiren used less power against the spirit bomb and the spirit bomb was objectively above SSB kaiokenx20 Goku, if we low ball it and says its 2x SSB kaiokenx20 Goku, so Goku became as a low estimate 40x stronger by 123. Gohan said himself he was at full power then. I'm guessing Piccolo is god tier too to you right? We do know Goku was serious. How are we going to count the spar with Goku when we don't know how serious Goku was? I thought Gohan asked really nicely for Goku to go SSJB instead of forcing him into it and was realistically only a match for SSJ2 Goku IIRC, SSJG Goku should win this imo. Goku should win easily, but since DBS has no sense of proper scaling, it's possible Gohan could take some rounds. Thus, Gohan should be roughly equal but still inferior to SSB Goku. But still Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku.BardockGoku 08:19, October 22, 2011 (UTC) if he was, how come goku didnt wish him to the planet of the kais? @jashro44: What feats? But in all honesty with all the bull shit going on in DBS why is it so hard to believe Gohan could be a rival to current Goku? We don't know if he put more effort into one shotting Kale. Confirmed. Actually, you don't have to answer that and I'll let you know why later. I don't think anyone is arguing that. It's like you don't even watch this show. There is not enough space for "<" to describe it. What do you get out of this? Plus as you said the fights have been all over the place in this arc so I actually think its more reliable to trust whats stated rather than what is shown. 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